Precamp Videos 2013 - Set 2

Set 2 Clip 3

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Paulo Mina
#1 Paulo Mina 2013-08-18 15:47
Violation from the offensive player. He does 3 supports.
 
 
Michał Proc
#2 Michał Proc 2013-08-18 18:24
Foul white # 9 he jumped into the ofensive player.
Good penetration by Lead Refereee and good call.
 
 
Paweł Berdyczko
#3 Paweł Berdyczko 2013-08-18 18:55
In my opinion here we have to fouls by the same defender. First (blocking faul) is when dribler drives to the basket and passes the defender (contact with the hip) and second while offensive player is already in the air in act of shooting (no verticality).
 
 
V'yacheslav Slyusar
#4 V'yacheslav Slyusar 2013-08-18 19:13
I think it must be traveling by C-ref.
 
 
Paulo Rocha Martins
#5 Paulo Rocha Martins 2013-08-18 21:19
For me is travelling violation but i think that the first contact during the drible should be called because it makes the offensive player changes the direction to the basket, needing one more step to balance the penetration
 
 
Tomasz Tybor
#6 Tomasz Tybor 2013-08-18 21:31
I would not call the first contact while dribbling as it does not have an impact on the offensive player. After the contact 3 steps are made - travelling should be called by Lead referee.
 
 
Michał Sosin
#7 Michał Sosin 2013-08-18 21:32
Defensive player White #9 establish vertical position but he jumped forward. That's why defensive foul is the best call. Good penetration by Lead RF
 
 
Ranno Konks
#8 Ranno Konks 2013-08-19 07:57
Offensive player makes three steps, it should be traveling.
C - call
 
 
Pierre-Yves De Soete
#9 Pierre-Yves De Soete 2013-08-19 09:17
Travelling is clear, but is it caused by the contact while still dribbling or not? For me it's not caused by the defender, so a good call is traveling. But also, this is the kind of play that what you call is not as important of how you call it.
 
 
Michel Patrick Glod
#10 Michel Patrick Glod 2013-08-19 09:21
Foul by player 9 white?
Cross call by Lead referee - should step in one small step to have better view. Also Center could take one step (penetration towards the basket) and if Lead do not call take the "help" call.
The contact (bump) by the white player n°16 has no influence. These contacts occure 1000 times a game, we should not call this contact on a basketball level like here.
Good call by the Lead referee - position could be adjusted.
Good no call on penetration
 
 
Ewa Matuszewska
#11 Ewa Matuszewska 2013-08-19 09:55
Foul of white #9. But i don't know that L should call this. The foul is high and he must look throught the basket. Maybe the C ref has better position to judge this foul. Especially as the C watching the action from the beginning.
 
 
Robert Rydz
#12 Robert Rydz 2013-08-19 11:40
Foul white #9. C - call
 
 
Sayaka Kai
#13 Sayaka Kai 2013-08-19 11:50
Foul by white #9.But lead referee should go to the left.
 
 
Anja Rubach
#14 Anja Rubach 2013-08-19 16:05
Foul number 9 white!
 
 
Bartosz Puzoń
#15 Bartosz Puzoń 2013-08-19 17:07
Center call. Foul nr 9 white.
 
 
Tomasz Szczurewski
#16 Tomasz Szczurewski 2013-08-19 17:24
For me it's a white #9 foul. Center should whistle, because that contact was quite high and C had the best view on this drive.
 
 
Maciej Dębowski
#17 Maciej Dębowski 2013-08-19 18:26
of course if we can see video for 1000 times we can speak about travelling, but for me it would be a very strange call. Foul of jumping white #9 is the best pick in this situation.
 
 
Bartosz Koralewski
#18 Bartosz Koralewski 2013-08-19 20:53
/in my opinion, First, there was a traveling then the foul nr 9. Center should have the best option to see this violations and the foul but he didn't go through the action. So L must call the foul.
 
 
Tom Muller
#19 Tom Muller 2013-08-20 10:19
May be there is a travelling at the start of the play. However the defender is quite far away and not in a good defensive position so the dribbler doesn't get a big advantage if he travels. The trail referee is a good position to see and he lets it go.
After that there are 2 defensive contacts, on number 16 during the penetration and number 9 during the shot.
Number 16 is late on his defensive action and not in a good defensive position (contact with shoulder from the side) tries to get the red player out of his path with a slight push.
Number 9 does not jump straight and makes contact with opponent. It is a clear foul. However I am not sure if I wouldn't call the foul on 16 because even though the contact is not too hard, he doesn't make an attempt to play good defense. The question is if a bump like number 16's should be permitted on the top Euroleague level.
In any case the red player has to get 2 free-throws.
The lead referee is a very experienced referee but it looks like he could have penetrated a bit more to the opposite side, because the center referee, who has a good position cannot see the space between players on penetration like that.
 
 
Tomasz Langowski
#20 Tomasz Langowski 2013-08-20 11:34
In my opinion both contacts could be called- by white #16 during the penetration and #9 near the basket.

First contact was clearly illegal and put an offensive player in a disadventage- it slowed down his drive and allowed the defender to stay next to him.

Then faul by white #9- he jumps towards the offensive player, instead of jumping vertically.
 
 
Chris Chapman
#21 Chris Chapman 2013-08-20 18:03
Small contact by 16 white is let go correctly as no real advantage/disad vantage and player is continuing towards the basket. Foul on white 9 is best call as player did not maintain verticality.
 
 
Manuel Maia
#22 Manuel Maia 2013-08-20 22:55
The contact near the free throw line is Small and the offensive player continues his movement to the basket without change his course,so it is no call there.
However, player number 9 jumps not in a vertical position and invades the space of the offensive player, as he pushes his arms towards the forearms of the offensive player, so there is a defensive foul.
 
 
Adam Wierzman
#23 Adam Wierzman 2013-08-21 08:56
My decision:
White 16 foul in the act of shooting. 2 free throws.
Comments:
White 16 had no LGP when contact occured. In my opinion the contact had impact on the player who drove to the basket.
White 9 foul was the second foul in this situation.
 
 
Ievgenii Nagornyi
#24 Ievgenii Nagornyi 2013-08-21 12:16
At first there was a blocking foul by white 16. Then player continues his movement towards the basket, but I think he made three steps! and then a clear foul in act of shooting
 
 
Lorenzo Ferroni
#25 Lorenzo Ferroni 2013-08-21 12:25
Travelling by red offensive players. Three steps for making the movement. Contacts from the defensive could be called, but i think that the best position to take the call is from center referee that has the correct view.
 
 
Jacek Dolski
#26 Jacek Dolski 2013-08-22 16:37
Foul by #9. He jumps forward and causes illegal contact.
 
 
Jakub Zamojski
#27 Jakub Zamojski 2013-08-23 20:46
Question 1: Can we ignore the first contact? Question2: Can we ignore clear traveling and call foul on 2nd contact? If first contact caouse player to make travel then... (?). If first contact was not important and ofensive player travel then...(?) I would like to hear your opinions at the camp
 
 
Michał Pietrakiewicz
#28 Michał Pietrakiewicz 2013-08-23 22:06
Big guys, big contact. For me illegal play by number 14 (?) white, before act of shooting. Pushing foul.
 
 
Tiberiu Lucaciu
#29 Tiberiu Lucaciu 2013-08-24 16:19
Deff foul by 9 white, i would ignore the first contact!
 
 
Michał Gąsiński
#30 Michał Gąsiński 2013-08-24 19:10
In my opinion first contact red with white 16 is foul but this foul is small. Next contact with white 9 is bigger. For me it is good call on foul #9.
 
 
Rene Brandstoetter
#31 Rene Brandstoetter 2013-08-25 13:56
L is in a really bad position for making a decision, personal foul #9
 
 
Jakub Pietrzak
#32 Jakub Pietrzak 2013-08-26 22:29
Foul white#9 - call by C
 

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