Precamp Videos 2013 - Set 2

Set 2 Clip 4

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Paulo Mina
#1 Paulo Mina 2013-08-18 15:43
Very difficult to anelyse. Who grabs who? who sarted? I would say that the foul is committed by the second defensive player that jumps from behind.
Paweł Berdyczko
#2 Paweł Berdyczko 2013-08-18 19:10
For me it is hooking by defender. He started this when the shoot was made. Grabbing by offensive player is only reaction on holding him by defender. I think that Lead was in the good position to call it correctly.
V'yacheslav Slyusar
#3 V'yacheslav Slyusar 2013-08-18 19:17
I think that first wrong grabbing by defender...
Michał Proc
#4 Michał Proc 2013-08-18 19:27
I can't judge who started first. When the view is from lead position both players already catch each other. For me most important is what L is doing. He got great position and he is watching right players, so he got everything to make right call.
Paulo Rocha Martins
#5 Paulo Rocha Martins 2013-08-18 21:25
Foul by number 13 blue because he extends his arm to gain advantage in the rebound.
Michał Sosin
#6 Michał Sosin 2013-08-18 21:29
Foul by blue 13. In my point of view He started grabbling yellow player.
Tomasz Tybor
#7 Tomasz Tybor 2013-08-18 21:35
I think this is defender's foul.
Ranno Konks
#8 Ranno Konks 2013-08-19 08:07
Difficult situation, but it seems to me that the first contact make the offensive player.
Pierre-Yves De Soete
#9 Pierre-Yves De Soete 2013-08-19 09:08
Difficult to see from this angle who grabs the other first. I think it's the blue player who started, but lead has a great view at this.
Ewa Matuszewska
#10 Ewa Matuszewska 2013-08-19 09:25
It's difficult to judge from this camera. But L ref has a very good position. Only him can deside who grabs who first, but i think the call should should be made earlier in this kind of situation that there was no doubt what our decision was.
Michel Patrick Glod
#11 Michel Patrick Glod 2013-08-19 09:42
One of the most difficult decisions for a referee, to judge who started first. The referee should concentrate from early beginning of the game on situations like this, and set the standard early in the game, by speaking and warning the players.
Lead referee had the best view here, and I hope he didn't penalyze the reaction.
For me the blue player started, to extend his arm in the cylinder of his opponent. Afterwards both hook and the yellow player blocks the arm (reaction).
Robert Rydz
#12 Robert Rydz 2013-08-19 11:48
I think double foul
Anja Rubach
#13 Anja Rubach 2013-08-19 16:12
Good position for lead ref to observe the situation. For me it should be foul for 13 blue as he is first to grab the others arm. Important to punish the player who started...if not called directly then it leads to a "doublefoul call".
Bartosz Puzoń
#14 Bartosz Puzoń 2013-08-19 17:06
Difficult to judge from this camera. But in my opinion blue player started grabbing yellow. we need quick decision . Good position lead ref to call
Maciej Dębowski
#15 Maciej Dębowski 2013-08-19 18:30
it is always difficult to know when to come into the action with the whistle, but probably quick call against blue player in the beginning of hooking will be understandable for everyone.
Tomasz Szczurewski
#16 Tomasz Szczurewski 2013-08-19 19:17
It's hard to say who started first from that angle, but I think that blue #13 started grabbing yellow player and hold him, that he couldn't grab the ball on the rebound. It should be a quick reaction for that kind of play and quick whistle for a foul will solve that situation.
Bartosz Koralewski
#17 Bartosz Koralewski 2013-08-19 21:24
Very difficult to say and analyse... It hard to say if blue 13 first grab the yellow player but the yellow player hold the blue's arm for sure :)
Tom Muller
#18 Tom Muller 2013-08-20 10:46
In this situation the lead referee has the best position to see, the center referee, who normally has a good angle to see rebounding situations has too many players in front of him to see the grabbing of the 2 players under the basket.
It's not easy to see who started, but it looks like the players are holding each other, so we could say no call.
To control the game we probably need to call a foul as the lead referee does, may be a double foul in this case
Chris Chapman
#19 Chris Chapman 2013-08-20 18:00
From the angle is it hard to tell who initiated the contact. I would say blue committed the foul first. If the game was clean and at a good temperment then a no call would be better option.
Manuel Maia
#20 Manuel Maia 2013-08-20 23:01
For me it would depend on the game's atmosphere. If until that point the game was calm and with no problems, the best option is no call (with maybe a calm warning). If tha game was not that calm, then it is a defensive foul because the defensive player grabs first and searched fot the opponet's arm to grab him.
Very difficult to see from this far and this angle.
Adam Wierzman
#21 Adam Wierzman 2013-08-21 09:11
My decision:
Blue 13 foul.
The yellow had better rebound position. The contact was initiated by blue 13. The call should have been given sooner.
Ievgenii Nagornyi
#22 Ievgenii Nagornyi 2013-08-21 12:28
Its not clear for sure from this camera who grabbed first! I think maybe at the moment of rebound its a double foul.
Lorenzo Ferroni
#23 Lorenzo Ferroni 2013-08-21 12:29
Foul by blue defensive nr.13. He make an holding on offensive player that has the best position to take the rebound. Lead referee is in the correct position to see what happens and to make the correct call.
Jacek Dolski
#24 Jacek Dolski 2013-08-22 16:43
It's foul by blue player. He is responsible for first contact. Call schould be given earlier. L position is very good.
Jakub Zamojski
#25 Jakub Zamojski 2013-08-23 20:49
Those matchup plays are always dificult to referee as in many occasions we do not know who start first... Still wait for solution :) Someone wrote we must see who is first- but if we do not know? Someone already wrote: double foul! Any other proposals? We will talk about it at the camp. ...Look not only to holdings, also other contatcts. But true is that very important is to recognize who start first...and catch it in right moment.
Michał Pietrakiewicz
#26 Michał Pietrakiewicz 2013-08-23 22:07
Blue holding. He grabs white player.
Tiberiu Lucaciu
#27 Tiberiu Lucaciu 2013-08-24 16:22
Although i am not a fan of this call: double foul! i think they started at the same time, and both are clearly using their arms illegal. Maybe the lead had an ever better angle...
Michał Gąsiński
#28 Michał Gąsiński 2013-08-24 19:15
I don't see who first caught. Maybe double call. Lead referee can see this situation better.
Rene Brandstoetter
#29 Rene Brandstoetter 2013-08-25 13:58
L must make a decision to my mind, from the position of this camera it is difficult to decide, who started the contact, if not decided certainy: double foul
Joe Jungels
#30 Joe Jungels 2013-08-26 11:54
Very difficult to see who initiated the illegal contact. L referee must stay in a good position to take the right decision.
I would say foul on number 13 blue because the yellow player already had a good rebound position and the blue player is searching the contact
Jakub Pietrzak
#31 Jakub Pietrzak 2013-08-26 22:34
Foul by blue 13 - hooking. Dificult situations.


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